You seem awfully confused and contradict yourself when it comes to defining what PvP is.
You say “mommy tattle tell”, but the most ironic part is the very people who WANT hidden logs are the actual cowards, since it’s very clear they’re not looking for real PvP. You also say PvP is about the combat, but don’t seem to understand this doesn’t promote actual combat…
You seem to have the opinion that offline raiding is a big problem, but then endorse THE VERY THING that propagates this very issue.
If you want “real PvP”, then you ACTUALLY PvP, which involves creating enemies that can smack you back. Targeting someone that you know will see the logs of it happening means you create a situation where that player is now likely to retaliate, and you prepare for it. Hidden logs just means everyone avoids actual conflict.
@erjoh In theory it seems interesting, but the real issue is this isn’t exactly how it plays out. In reality, everyone just goes scorched earth on each other since “who will know anyways” and “realism” has never been a strong justification for a poor system in a game, especially when said system is HEAVILY disliked by the majority of players.
If you go back to early days, i dont think it even had a log. been 7 years so i could be wrong. Before you had to just check you locations and inspect.
And even thiugh i am a non pvp newb [sic], I know alot of servers had people who would log on, watch you tube and every 15 minutes just read the logs. If theyvgot hit, they called in their full clan. How isnthe immersive pvp? Waiting for the greenlight from a log entry is not pvp, it is justifying toxic full wipe mentality.
If you’re going through all the trouble of creating alts for the specific purpose of attacking someone without revealing the “real you”, then props to you. Not only are the vast majority of players NOT doing this, but I fail to see how this is a strong enough argument to support anonymity.
One thing I’m also finding ironic is how the majority of people advocating to keep it this way are also not even PvPers… If that’s the case, why are you even arguing in a PvP thread to begin with to advocate for something you know nothing about and DOES NOT even affect you?
I think you failed to understand @biggcane55’s sarcasm there - he’s a very experienced PVPer, as he mentioned earlier, more than 10k hours of PVP in this game. He’s being sarcastic because you keep trying to dismiss him as someone who has no PVP experience.
I too can also make up numbers to artificially strengthen my argument by claiming I have over 14k hours, so are therefore, more qualified to talk about the subject. Even if he does have 10k hours on official, that doesn’t mean it’s on PvP.
Regardless, even if it was sarcasm, the internet has never been the best place for it as it is not always particularly easy to read. Also, I’m very curious how I supposedly “kept trying to dismiss him” when only my most recent post had any indication of that.
The rest of my points still stand and if he wants to call me out for his supposed sarcasm, he can do so. I don’t need 3rd party condescension from you.
That was my mistake - it was actually a different person that had been trying to dismiss him through this thread. Apologies.
I was in no sense trying to condescend to you. I was trrying to explain a simple misunderstanding, because I am well aware of @biggcane55 as a long-standing member of the CE PVP community. As I said above, I had mistakenly thought you had made some of the earlier comments in the thread and had not gone back to check.
Everything else is betwen the two of you. I have no intention of getting involved further.
Everyone keeps saying i am not a pvper. I have like 1% time not on pvp official. Does it mean all i do is pvp on the server? No. 80% of pvp is pve. Meta min/max pve farming and armor/weapon crafting, but pve none the less. I also have stayed months in a server battling hackers. Amd yes i have alts. You would be surprised how many players have them on pvp. Most learned to use them to counter hackers with body vaulting restart resources. Some to just troll Clans known to associate directly with hackers. Tell me about being non pvp, when the alts and now the hidden logs gives us non hackers something to utilize when a hacker zerg hits. It is the only way to “pvp” them til they get bored.
You must have missed how easy it is to work around the logs for offline raiding with alts. Tell me how youbsolve that?
Two separate points and not being able to associate alt characters with clans does not have to be resolved for the event log to show player name.
You took a post with a ton of very valid points and sound reasoning and literally ignored everything and somehow tried to twist everything into the event log shouldn’t show player names/clans because some players might make an alt account?
I think you failed to understand @biggcane55’s sarcasm there - he’s a very experienced PVPer, as he mentioned earlier, more than 10k hours of PVP in this game.
This poster has failed to demonstrate even a basic understanding of some pvp concepts in some of their posts and when they felt the need to mention their 10k hours, there was zero mention of them playing ‘pvp’ servers which I pointed out. If they are a ‘very experienced PVPr’, the rating scale used here is certainly different from mine.
If you go back to early days, i dont think it even had a log. been 7 years so i could be wrong. Before you had to just check you locations and inspect.
Actually, some of us have been playing for 9 and yes, you are wrong, we had the event log in early access. The only thing I remember changing was an improvement to the time stamp in the log.
The significantly overhauled and fully functional Event Log was introduced in early October 2018. [1, 2]
Specifically, the major update rolled out on October 4, 2018 (PC Update 34), with a follow-up patch on October 31, 2018 that added finer GUI filter options and extended logging to pets and thralls. [1, 2]
While a very bare-bones version existed prior to this to track basic building decay, the October 2018 update was what converted it into the modern system players recognize today. It allowed players to view a detailed history of: [1, 2]
Exact times and dates of server actions.
Global or local tracking radius filters.
Full player and clan names attached to who initiated raids or damage. [1, 2, 3, 4]
This late-2018 launch immediately sparked intense community debates, as logging specific player names made it impossible to execute “stealth raids” on PvP servers, leading to decades of subsequent privacy patches by Funcom. [1, 2, 3]
The significantly overhauled and fully functional Event Log was introduced in early October 2018. [1, 2]
See, this is your problem, you keep ‘Googling’ and some of us actually played and experienced it to know the event log existed.
The event log was there in early access just as I stated and it was updated as I also noted which you are now getting confused on with your Googling.
You stated that 7 years ago you didn’t think there was an event log and yet, you just showed your Google evidence that there was one and it was being updated at least 8 years ago. You need to stop trying to debate things you were not involved in and had no direct experience with and are relying on Google for.
If you look closely in some of your referenced links, you will see players are asking for more name clarification as players were running around cheesing names to try to get past the logs. A big one back in the day was for people to use name or clan name (cannot remember which was on initial event log) like ruin system because back then, if something decayed, that is what it showed up under so people would look at logs thinking things were destroyed by decay when it was a person/clan using the name. People would also use something basic like a period to confuse the logs, I cannot remember all the ways people were trying to circumvent logs but this is why we saw several updates over the years.
As mentioned a few times now, you seem confused on a lot of PVP related points so please stop relying on Google to tell people that played the game what they did/didn’t have. We had an event log at early access and and others have jumped in stating they played as well during that time and had an event log. Hell, we had event logs before we even had climbing.
Trying to have a productive conversation with you on anything pvp related is not productive as you are relying on Google rather than experience.
I only posted because it was said it was ALWAYs around from Day 1. If you read thru that time period of patches(@5months after full release) the name shame was added around that time. Then for months there was serious debate on these forums that led to a poll by Tascha.
And unlike you, inactually googled tonfact check myself. I knew something changed early on, but could 100% say.
Unlike you with strawman “majority” and everyone comments to beef your opinion up, i wanted to knownthe facts.
You also seem way to personal on your comments with me. I jave not once questioned your veyeran experience. And havent called you PvP lord, blaming PvE mindsets like you do. Even when a fact is presented you go to personal “Biggcane dont know ■■■■■” in everyone of your posts. How about you construct a thought post that ways what YOU see as pros and cimons instead of rage Chad comment in every post.
